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Post by bigr on Apr 6, 2015 11:40:11 GMT
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Post by mcguirk on Apr 6, 2015 13:53:08 GMT
What's with this fixation on the media? It's the closest thing we have to an objective gauge of the quality of the hire at this point. I only pointed it out in that message because, again, an Auburn fan is trying to frame it like everyone is laughing at Alabama when really most people think it's a solid hire. Again, no one knows for sure until things get going but some people (like the idiot I was quoting) are so delusional that they can't look at things remotely objectively and in their eyes it's always going to be "OMG YOU BAMMERS ARE ALWAYS SPINNING STUFF!" Obviously I'm biased but in my experience Auburn fans (on TMB, especially, and ones I know elsewhere, too) tend to have a knack for only listening to the opinions of other Auburn fans which are almost always the same opinions. A lot of circular thought among the fan base without many outside opinions weighed. Look, you're getting real defensive here. I'm not saying that it may not work out or that it's guaranteed failure. Anything can happen. But... I'm just not sold at all on this hire at all. The guy has had moderate nba success but has no experience coaching or recruiting college players. The fact that some think a few years in the nba will allow him to compete against recruiting giants like Pearl and Calipari is laughable. He's one of the guys that is going to have to get "diamond in the rough" types and develop talent, and I'm just not sold on his ability to develop at the college level right now. It's an unknown I try to be objective in these situations...hell, if you guys would have hired smart I would have been the first to agree that it was a great hire. But to say that a washed up nba coach that has no college experience is "exactly what Bama needs" is absurd. Come on... |
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Post by clownbaby on Apr 6, 2015 14:03:17 GMT
It's the closest thing we have to an objective gauge of the quality of the hire at this point. I only pointed it out in that message because, again, an Auburn fan is trying to frame it like everyone is laughing at Alabama when really most people think it's a solid hire. Again, no one knows for sure until things get going but some people (like the idiot I was quoting) are so delusional that they can't look at things remotely objectively and in their eyes it's always going to be "OMG YOU BAMMERS ARE ALWAYS SPINNING STUFF!" Obviously I'm biased but in my experience Auburn fans (on TMB, especially, and ones I know elsewhere, too) tend to have a knack for only listening to the opinions of other Auburn fans which are almost always the same opinions. A lot of circular thought among the fan base without many outside opinions weighed. Look, you're getting real defensive here. I'm not saying that it may not work out or that it's guaranteed failure. Anything can happen. But... I'm just not sold at all on this hire at all. The guy has had moderate nba success but has no experience coaching or recruiting college players. The fact that some think a few years in the nba will allow him to compete against recruiting giants like Pearl and Calipari is laughable. He's one of the guys that is going to have to get "diamond in the rough" types and develop talent, and I'm just not sold on his ability to develop at the college level right now. It's an unknown I try to be objective in these situations...hell, if you guys would have hired smart I would have been the first to agree that it was a great hire. But to say that a washed up nba coach that has no college experience is "exactly what Bama needs" is absurd. Come on... To include Bruce Pearl's name with John Calipari's only validates Barves's argument. You've clearly got your orange and blue blinders on. |
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Post by jaxteller007 on Apr 6, 2015 14:28:11 GMT
Look, you're getting real defensive here. I'm not saying that it may not work out or that it's guaranteed failure. Anything can happen. But... I'm just not sold at all on this hire at all. The guy has had moderate nba success but has no experience coaching or recruiting college players. The fact that some think a few years in the nba will allow him to compete against recruiting giants like Pearl and Calipari is laughable. He's one of the guys that is going to have to get "diamond in the rough" types and develop talent, and I'm just not sold on his ability to develop at the college level right now. It's an unknown I try to be objective in these situations...hell, if you guys would have hired smart I would have been the first to agree that it was a great hire. But to say that a washed up nba coach that has no college experience is "exactly what Bama needs" is absurd. Come on... To include Bruce Pearl's name with John Calipari's only validates Barves's argument. You've clearly got your orange and blue blinders on. 77-51 in the SEC, 9-7 in the SEC tournament, definitely comparable to Calipari. |
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Post by mcguirk on Apr 6, 2015 14:30:32 GMT
Look, you're getting real defensive here. I'm not saying that it may not work out or that it's guaranteed failure. Anything can happen. But... I'm just not sold at all on this hire at all. The guy has had moderate nba success but has no experience coaching or recruiting college players. The fact that some think a few years in the nba will allow him to compete against recruiting giants like Pearl and Calipari is laughable. He's one of the guys that is going to have to get "diamond in the rough" types and develop talent, and I'm just not sold on his ability to develop at the college level right now. It's an unknown I try to be objective in these situations...hell, if you guys would have hired smart I would have been the first to agree that it was a great hire. But to say that a washed up nba coach that has no college experience is "exactly what Bama needs" is absurd. Come on... To include Bruce Pearl's name with John Calipari's only validates Barves's argument. You've clearly got your orange and blue blinders on. Just mentioned Pearl because of the instate aspect. Not saying he's even close to Calipari. We have some big time players coming out of alabama in the next few years |
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Post by jaxteller007 on Apr 6, 2015 14:34:25 GMT
To include Bruce Pearl's name with John Calipari's only validates Barves's argument. You've clearly got your orange and blue blinders on. Just mentioned Pearl because of the instate aspect. Not saying he's even close to Calipari. We have some big time players coming out of alabama in the next few years Maybe not you, but plenty of AU posters have no problem throwing those two names together. |
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Post by mcguirk on Apr 6, 2015 14:48:23 GMT
Keep in mind that Calipari is also at the only traditional power that the SEC has. Not saying that Pearl would be pulling talent to the same extent that Calipari is, but I'm pretty confident that he would still be very successful if he had a program like Kentucky to work with
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Post by izwt on Apr 6, 2015 14:58:15 GMT
Comparing Pearl to calipari is off the wall, but he is still a top 15 recruiting head coach in bball. Everyone knows he is a good coach who will get premier talent and make the tournament regularly.
It's hard to know exactly how Johnson will pan out. I don't think it was a horrible hire. I do think that he is going to have a difficult time matching pearls prowess on the recruiting trail, although his time as an nba player should definitely help him connect with HS kids. We have chuck person on our staff who brings the nba player/coach aspect to our recruiting trail, so I don't see that being an advantage over pearl for Johnson. Person is a top 3-point shooter all time in the nba and actually coached a team to win the finals and not lose albeit as an assistant.
I really don't have any additional serious input other than I hope that the recent egg on bama's face trend continues through the immediate future.
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Post by duke on Apr 6, 2015 14:59:09 GMT
What's with this fixation on the media? It's the closest thing we have to an objective gauge of the quality of the hire at this point. I only pointed it out in that message because, again, an Auburn fan is trying to frame it like everyone is laughing at Alabama when really most people think it's a solid hire. Again, no one knows for sure until things get going but some people (like the idiot I was quoting) are so delusional that they can't look at things remotely objectively and in their eyes it's always going to be "OMG YOU BAMMERS ARE ALWAYS SPINNING STUFF!" Obviously I'm biased but in my experience Auburn fans (on TMB, especially, and ones I know elsewhere, too) tend to have a knack for only listening to the opinions of other Auburn fans which are almost always the same opinions. A lot of circular thought among the fan base without many outside opinions weighed. Christ man, get ahold of yourself. This desperate defensiveness tells me a lot about how y'all view the hire. |
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Post by clownbaby on Apr 6, 2015 15:08:30 GMT
To include Bruce Pearl's name with John Calipari's only validates Barves's argument. You've clearly got your orange and blue blinders on. Just mentioned Pearl because of the instate aspect. Not saying he's even close to Calipari. We have some big time players coming out of alabama in the next few years You think Pearl at Auburn changes the fact that a lot of those guys probably leave the state? I don't think guys like Cousins and Bledsoe went to Kentucky because they weren't in love with the instate schools; they went because a real basketball school gives them a better opportunity to get to the NBA. |
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Post by ma on Apr 6, 2015 15:17:22 GMT
Surprised it took this long for the aubs to bring out the "we have an NBA guy too" stuff. The Bunker was already touting it yesterday.
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Post by izwt on Apr 6, 2015 15:23:46 GMT
Surprised it took this long for the aubs to bring out the "we have an NBA guy too" stuff. The Bunker was already touting it yesterday. The only difference is that our NBA guy is our all time leading scorer and has his jersey in the rafters when kids come to visit. |
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Post by borkycucek on Apr 6, 2015 15:25:39 GMT
Just curious, is there been a coach currently or recently in CBB that has a similar coaching resume to Avery Johnson who only has NBA coaching experience to drop down to CBB? isiah thomas That worked out pretty well at FIU |
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Post by ma on Apr 6, 2015 15:26:21 GMT
Surprised it took this long for the aubs to bring out the "we have an NBA guy too" stuff. The Bunker was already touting it yesterday. The only difference is that our NBA guy is our all time leading scorer and has his jersey in the rafters when kids come to visit. Yeah, ours only has his in the rafters of an NBA arena. You might say it's not even comparable. And Auburn doesn't even appear to put jerseys in the rafters, so there. |
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Post by bigr on Apr 6, 2015 15:36:57 GMT
At least our coach sounds like his balls have dropped
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Post by izwt on Apr 6, 2015 16:03:41 GMT
The only difference is that our NBA guy is our all time leading scorer and has his jersey in the rafters when kids come to visit. Yeah, ours only has his in the rafters of an NBA arena. You might say it's not even comparable. And Auburn doesn't even appear to put jerseys in the rafters, so there. Great he can take recruits on a field trip to show it to them. Persons jersey is actually in a display case on the concourse. His name and number are etched in stone on the wall below the upper deck, which is about one thousand times cooler than hanging in the rafters. |
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Post by highcotton on Apr 6, 2015 16:06:05 GMT
I think its a good hire, but what do I know and who am I to say?
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Post by clownbaby on Apr 6, 2015 16:28:23 GMT
LOL at people acting like high school kids won't know Avery Johnson, but using Chuck Person as a support. It's very apparent who went to
the ag school.
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Post by clownbaby on Apr 6, 2015 16:29:11 GMT
I think its a good hire, but what do I know and who am I to say? Thank you for your honesty, HC. Good luck in the coming business year. |
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Post by duke on Apr 6, 2015 16:32:57 GMT
LOL at people acting like high school kids won't know Avery Johnson, but using Chuck Person as a support. It's very apparent who went to the ag school. We don't claim the lanks retarded opinions |
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Post by bigr on Apr 6, 2015 16:40:25 GMT
only instate opinion that matters on the hire
"It's a great hire," Pearl said during an interview on WJOX-FM Birmingham Monday morning. "Avery is a good man and a great coach. He'll be a great addition to the league and the state of basketball in Alabama. I say that wishing Anthony Grant was still the coach, he did a really good job. But at the same time, we probably need to do better than good to keep a job like Alabama. I understand that.
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Post by mcguirk on Apr 6, 2015 16:42:11 GMT
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Post by PatDyesWholeBody on Apr 6, 2015 16:44:06 GMT
only instate opinion that matters on the hire "It's a great hire," Pearl said during an interview on WJOX-FM Birmingham Monday morning. "Avery is a good man and a great coach. He'll be a great addition to the league and the state of basketball in Alabama. I say that wishing Anthony Grant was still the coach, he did a really good job. But at the same time, we probably need to do better than good to keep a job like Alabama. I understand that. I would wish Anthony Grant was still the coach too if I were him. |
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Post by barves2125 on Apr 6, 2015 16:53:00 GMT
It's the closest thing we have to an objective gauge of the quality of the hire at this point. I only pointed it out in that message because, again, an Auburn fan is trying to frame it like everyone is laughing at Alabama when really most people think it's a solid hire. Again, no one knows for sure until things get going but some people (like the idiot I was quoting) are so delusional that they can't look at things remotely objectively and in their eyes it's always going to be "OMG YOU BAMMERS ARE ALWAYS SPINNING STUFF!" Obviously I'm biased but in my experience Auburn fans (on TMB, especially, and ones I know elsewhere, too) tend to have a knack for only listening to the opinions of other Auburn fans which are almost always the same opinions. A lot of circular thought among the fan base without many outside opinions weighed. Christ man, get ahold of yourself. This desperate defensiveness tells me a lot about how y'all view the hire. Welp, you managed to have an adult conversation for a while so I guess you should be proud of how long you held it together. And, for the sake of amusement and not giving up on getting it into your dense heads, I will once again point out that it's mostly just Auburn fans that think there's even anything for Alabama fans to be defensive about while most of the nation (and members of various news outlets) think it will prove to be a good hire. |
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Post by bigr on Apr 6, 2015 16:55:19 GMT
Most of the nation isn't even talking about this hire. There is a reason it is basically only barners and turds in here.
It is a much better hire than I anticipated for yall after missing on Marshall though.
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Post by clownbaby on Apr 6, 2015 16:58:58 GMT
Most of the nation isn't even talking about this hire. There is a reason it is basically only barners and turds in here. It is a much better hire than I anticipated for yall after missing on Marshall though. You're right. I think we all expected "Alabama Hired Steve Prohm" to be on the news scroll in Times Square and one the front page of ESPN. Get a hold of yourself, guy. |
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Post by bigr on Apr 6, 2015 17:01:21 GMT
Most of the nation isn't even talking about this hire. There is a reason it is basically only barners and turds in here. It is a much better hire than I anticipated for yall after missing on Marshall though. You're right. I think we all expected "Alabama Hired Steve Prohm" to be on the news scroll in Times Square and one the front page of ESPN. Get a hold of yourself, guy. Nope |
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Post by clownbaby on Apr 6, 2015 17:02:44 GMT
I think this all comes down to a lack of confidence from Auburn fans (and a lack of ability to logically argue). You've got a really good coach and you should be confident in that, not reaching on points or overreacting to Alabama also hiring a good coach (albeit one with a lack of college experience).
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Post by mcguirk on Apr 6, 2015 17:07:53 GMT
Christ man, get ahold of yourself. This desperate defensiveness tells me a lot about how y'all view the hire. Welp, you managed to have an adult conversation for a while so I guess you should be proud of how long you held it together. And, for the sake of amusement and not giving up on getting it into your dense heads, I will once again point out that it's mostly just Auburn fans that think there's even anything for Alabama fans to be defensive about while most of the nation (and members of various news outlets) think it will prove to be a good hire. Yeah, it's all auburn fans faults that you all flock to angrily defend this hire every time someone gives an honest opinion that you don't agree with. It makes your insecurities about having Bruce Pearl across the state painfully obvious. |
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Post by duke on Apr 6, 2015 17:10:44 GMT
I think this all comes down to a lack of confidence from Auburn fans (and a lack of ability to logically argue). You've got a really good coach and you should be confident in that, not reaching on points or overreacting to Alabama also hiring a good coach (albeit one with a lack of college experience). I'm not sure what points we're reaching on(lank logic doesn't count). Personally I think he'll do well and it looks great on the surface, but it's so random and no one knows if he can recruit or coach college basketball so I won't be surprised by any outcome. It's stupid to call it a great hire or a terrible hire. |
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