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Post by barves2125 on Apr 5, 2015 20:20:21 GMT
Really? I guess I'm obviously looking at it optimistically but a coach with 16 years of experience playing in the NBA and 7 years coaching (with an NBA Championship and two 60+ win seasons, at that) seems like something that would immediately draw interest from recruits. Throw in the fact that he has been an ESPN personality for the past few years and you've got a highly marketable figurehead for your program. Again, I'm optimistic but I feel like a large percent of highly ranked high school basketball players (and their parents) would love to have a guy with that resume sitting in their living room talking to them about their future. Johnson has a pretty harsh style and I don't exactly remember him being beloved by his players when he was with the Nets or Mavs (after the '06 season). Like pesci just said, he can probably get away with that more at the college level, but his style will get old pretty quickly if he isn't able to start putting together the wins to back it up. I also don't think being a fiery and charismatic coach/TV personality necessarily guarantees that he'll start raking in McD's AAs. Talking basketball on TV and coaching grown ass men isn't the same as spending 18+ months pandering to a 16 year old and his parents to try and get him to come play for you for 6 months before he heads to the NBA. Some coaches just don't have the stomach for it and I can definitely understand why. Interesting. Well, since this is all speculation (from both sides) until it actually starts to happen, I'm intrigued and want to revisit your first post about going on a shooting spree if Texas hired Johnson. Let's assume Shaka wasn't on the table and Marshall already showed disinterest in leaving Wichita. Who would your top 3 choices be at that point? |
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Post by jhooked on Apr 5, 2015 20:32:31 GMT
Johnson has a pretty harsh style and I don't exactly remember him being beloved by his players when he was with the Nets or Mavs (after the '06 season). Like pesci just said, he can probably get away with that more at the college level, but his style will get old pretty quickly if he isn't able to start putting together the wins to back it up. I also don't think being a fiery and charismatic coach/TV personality necessarily guarantees that he'll start raking in McD's AAs. Talking basketball on TV and coaching grown ass men isn't the same as spending 18+ months pandering to a 16 year old and his parents to try and get him to come play for you for 6 months before he heads to the NBA. Some coaches just don't have the stomach for it and I can definitely understand why. Interesting. Well, since this is all speculation (from both sides) until it actually starts to happen, I'm intrigued and want to revisit your first post about going on a shooting spree if Texas hired Johnson. Let's assume Shaka wasn't on the table and Marshall already showed disinterest in leaving Wichita. Who would your top 3 choices be at that point? Archie Miller Fred Hoidberg Jay Wright (he was reportedly contacted by the search firm Texas used and wasn't interested) I don't think it was a horrible hire for Bama, just not who I would have wanted for Texas in the same scenario. |
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Post by izwt on Apr 5, 2015 20:39:38 GMT
He will be a great recruiter but coach on the other hand, i don't think so. He has coached in an NBA Finals and won 67 games in a season as well as another season he had 60 wins. The guy can coach. They achieved 67 wins and then lost in the first round of the playoffs. They have made the playoffs every season since that 2006 season except once. This is mainly in part to having one of the top rosters in the western conference. He then went to the nets, and in 2 1/2 seasons there failed to make the playoffs once or break past the .500 mark in any of those seasons. Yeah slam dunk fucking hire faggots |
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Post by clownbaby on Apr 5, 2015 20:43:13 GMT
He has coached in an NBA Finals and won 67 games in a season as well as another season he had 60 wins. The guy can coach. They achieved 67 wins and then lost in the first round of the playoffs. They have made the playoffs every season since that 2006 season except once. This is mainly in part to having one of the top rosters in the western conference. He then went to the nets, and in 2 1/2 seasons there failed to make the playoffs once or break past the .500 mark in any of those seasons. Yeah slam dunk fucking hire faggots You know for a while I'd forgotten you were a Lank. I guess we can discredit the accomplishments of every coach who didn't build from the ground up. But I think we can take it a step further. Look at Phil Jackson running the Knicks. They fucking suck. Jackson obviously rode the backs of MJ and Kobe. |
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Post by jaxteller007 on Apr 5, 2015 21:12:49 GMT
Little lank is such a retard. Surprised the AU posters even claim him.
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Post by barves2125 on Apr 5, 2015 21:27:53 GMT
He has coached in an NBA Finals and won 67 games in a season as well as another season he had 60 wins. The guy can coach. They achieved 67 wins and then lost in the first round of the playoffs. They have made the playoffs every season since that 2006 season except once. This is mainly in part to having one of the top rosters in the western conference. He then went to the nets, and in 2 1/2 seasons there failed to make the playoffs once or break past the .500 mark in any of those seasons. Yeah slam dunk fucking hire faggotsNormally, I try to refrain from posting these things out but I can't help it here. You legitimately seem very angry considering I don't think anyone has said this hire is a sure thing. Just seems like a pretty solid one with a lot of potential upside. |
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Post by jaxteller007 on Apr 5, 2015 21:32:06 GMT
They achieved 67 wins and then lost in the first round of the playoffs. They have made the playoffs every season since that 2006 season except once. This is mainly in part to having one of the top rosters in the western conference. He then went to the nets, and in 2 1/2 seasons there failed to make the playoffs once or break past the .500 mark in any of those seasons. Yeah slam dunk fucking hire faggotsNormally, I try to refrain from posting these things out but I can't help it here. You legitimately seem very angry considering I don't think anyone has said this hire is a sure thing. Just seems like a pretty solid one with a lot of potential upside. It's little lank, shouldn't expect anything else from him. |
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Post by duke on Apr 5, 2015 21:36:14 GMT
They achieved 67 wins and then lost in the first round of the playoffs. They have made the playoffs every season since that 2006 season except once. This is mainly in part to having one of the top rosters in the western conference. He then went to the nets, and in 2 1/2 seasons there failed to make the playoffs once or break past the .500 mark in any of those seasons. Yeah slam dunk fucking hire faggotsNormally, I try to refrain from posting these things out but I can't help it here. You legitimately seem very angry considering I don't think anyone has said this hire is a sure thing. Just seems like a pretty solid one with a lot of potential upside. I find it bizarre mostly...if he succeeds is he going to stay there? This is a complete unknown but I just don't see him being a very good recruiter. |
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Post by duke on Apr 5, 2015 21:36:26 GMT
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Post by swimmy on Apr 5, 2015 21:37:41 GMT
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Post by audrew on Apr 5, 2015 21:57:17 GMT
Normally, I try to refrain from posting these things out but I can't help it here. You legitimately seem very angry considering I don't think anyone has said this hire is a sure thing. Just seems like a pretty solid one with a lot of potential upside. I find it bizarre mostly...if he succeeds is he going to stay there? This is a complete unknown but I just don't see him being a very good recruiter. He might find a little recruiting success, but it could also be in short supply. Pearl's success might dwarf his meager accomplishments. I doubt his contract is scanty, but Bama may be in for some diminutive returns on their investment. But for such a tiny window of availability, Bama can chalk this hiring up as a small victory. |
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Post by PatDyesWholeBody on Apr 5, 2015 22:04:23 GMT
I find it bizarre mostly...if he succeeds is he going to stay there? This is a complete unknown but I just don't see him being a very good recruiter. He might find a little recruiting success, but it could also be in short supply. Pearl's success might dwarf his meager accomplishments. I doubt his contract is scanty, but Bama may be in for some diminutive returns on their investment. But for such a tiny window of availability, Bama can chalk this hiring up as a small victory. Pearl has had success in the past. Can he replicate that at Auburn? That has yet to be seen. Let's not pretend Auburn has suddenly become a juggernaut with Pearl. He has plenty of question marks of his own. |
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Post by audrew on Apr 5, 2015 22:10:34 GMT
He might find a little recruiting success, but it could also be in short supply. Pearl's success might dwarf his meager accomplishments. I doubt his contract is scanty, but Bama may be in for some diminutive returns on their investment. But for such a tiny window of availability, Bama can chalk this hiring up as a small victory. Pearl has had success in the past. Can he replicate that at Auburn? That has yet to be seen. Let's not pretend Auburn has suddenly become a juggernaut with Pearl. He has plenty of question marks of his own.  |
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Post by PatDyesWholeBody on Apr 5, 2015 22:13:19 GMT
Pearl has had success in the past. Can he replicate that at Auburn? That has yet to be seen. Let's not pretend Auburn has suddenly become a juggernaut with Pearl. He has plenty of question marks of his own. I should know better by now than to actually try to have a legitimate conversation on tmb or a tmb substitute. |
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Post by duke on Apr 5, 2015 22:20:10 GMT
He might find a little recruiting success, but it could also be in short supply. Pearl's success might dwarf his meager accomplishments. I doubt his contract is scanty, but Bama may be in for some diminutive returns on their investment. But for such a tiny window of availability, Bama can chalk this hiring up as a small victory. Pearl has had success in the past. Can he replicate that at Auburn? That has yet to be seen. Let's not pretend Auburn has suddenly become a juggernaut with Pearl. He has plenty of question marks of his own. Of course we aren't a juggernaut, but I don't see how you could say he has plenty of question marks...we're still a couple of years away, but it's inevitable that we'll be a top 25 program as long as he's our coach. |
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Post by iv on Apr 5, 2015 22:22:22 GMT
We'll obviously have to wait and see if Johnson is successful or not but it seems to me that TMB Auburn fans are the only ones calling it a bad hire. Imagine that. For the sake of comparison, Johnson's name was briefly mentioned as a possibility at Texas before Smart was hired. I would have gone on a shooting spree. That's because you're a moron |
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Post by duke on Apr 5, 2015 22:23:30 GMT
There's plenty to be excited about with AJ considering Grant is no longer your coach, but that coaching search was terribly botched.
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Post by duke on Apr 5, 2015 22:32:01 GMT
For the sake of comparison, Johnson's name was briefly mentioned as a possibility at Texas before Smart was hired. I would have gone on a shooting spree. That's because you're a moron Eh, considering Howland and Smart were available and Archie Miller is out there, I think anyone would prefer a known versus a complete unknown |
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Post by barves2125 on Apr 5, 2015 22:32:06 GMT
There's plenty to be excited about with AJ considering Grant is no longer your coach, but that coaching search was terribly botched. Somewhat interested to hear your reason(s) why you feel that way. Obviously we didn't get our primary target but it has been pretty well proven that it wasn't Alabama/our AD that messed it up. And since you don't seem to hate the AJ hire, what else did we do so wrong that warrants you saying the process was "terribly botched?" EDIT: As mentioned earlier in this thread, Smart wasn't a realistic option because we went for our number one and by the time that was wrapped up, Smart was off the table. |
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Post by duke on Apr 5, 2015 22:37:10 GMT
There's plenty to be excited about with AJ considering Grant is no longer your coach, but that coaching search was terribly botched. Somewhat interested to hear your reason(s) why you feel that way. Obviously we didn't get our primary target but it has been pretty well proven that it wasn't Alabama/our AD that messed it up. And since you don't seem to hate the AJ hire, what else did we do so wrong that warrants you saying the process was "terribly botched?" EDIT: As mentioned earlier in this thread, Smart wasn't a realistic option because we went for our number one and by the time that was wrapped up, Smart was off the table. I thought it was rather moronic to publically put all your eggs in one basket...I just don't think there's any redeeming qualities in a public coaching search. |
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Post by ma on Apr 5, 2015 22:41:04 GMT
Aubs want so badly for us to be dejected about all this. It'd be sad, except that I'm used to this behavior.
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Post by jgator1 on Apr 5, 2015 22:42:36 GMT
It's an interesting hire that kinda came outta nowhere. Regardless, it should be an upgrade over Grant.
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Post by barves2125 on Apr 5, 2015 22:44:59 GMT
Somewhat interested to hear your reason(s) why you feel that way. Obviously we didn't get our primary target but it has been pretty well proven that it wasn't Alabama/our AD that messed it up. And since you don't seem to hate the AJ hire, what else did we do so wrong that warrants you saying the process was "terribly botched?" EDIT: As mentioned earlier in this thread, Smart wasn't a realistic option because we went for our number one and by the time that was wrapped up, Smart was off the table. I thought it was rather moronic to publically put all your eggs in one basket...I just don't think there's any redeeming qualities in a public coaching search. You may be right but I don't feel like we came away with bad press from this. Marshall saying no hurts but when he makes it a point in every interview to explain that our athletic department handled the whole process very well and that our vision for the future of the program is quality, it's hard to argue we got much bad PR from it. Then, we had a former NBA Coach of the Year admit he was very interested in the job. Again, it isn't Phil Jackson trying to come out of retirement to coach in Tuscaloosa but it is a pretty well respected and highly liked basketball personality. The aspect of the process that I liked the least was our AD releasing a public statement about Marshall saying no. That didn't seem necessary at all. All things considered, seems like a pretty decent coaching search for a guy with no previous experience in the coach hiring process. EDIT: I would also like to point out that the basketball program has already drawn more positive press in the past few hours than the program received in the six years previous. Whether or not he can win games at the college level has yet to be seen but he is certainly a beloved and respected basketball expert. Whereas your coach, although he has won games at the college level, is considered somewhat of a sleaze. Not that it matters at all. Just funny to me that that's something TMB Auburn fans would typically champion if the shoe were on the other foot. Auburn being so special and all. |
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Post by duke on Apr 5, 2015 22:51:01 GMT
I thought it was rather moronic to publically put all your eggs in one basket...I just don't think there's any redeeming qualities in a public coaching search. You may be right but I don't feel like we came away with bad press from this. Marshall saying no hurts but when he makes it a point in every interview to explain that our athletic department handled the whole process very well and that our vision for the future of the program is quality, it's hard to argue we got much bad PR from it. Then, we had a former NBA Coach of the Year admit he was very interested in the job. Again, it isn't Phil Jackson trying to come out of retirement to coach in Tuscaloosa but it is a pretty well respected and highly liked basketball personality. The aspect of the process that I liked the least was our AD releasing a public statement about Marshall saying no. That didn't seem necessary at all. All things considered, seems like a pretty decent coaching search for a guy with no previous experience in the coach hiring process. EDIT: I would also like to point out that the basketball program has already drawn more positive press in the past few hours than the program received in the six years previous. Whether or not he can win games at the college level has yet to be seen but he is certainly a beloved and respected basketball expert. I'm not saying you got bad PR...that's not the case at all...I'm just saying I think it was stupid to tell the whole world that you're waiting two weeks for Wichita to lose, possibly alienating other great coaches. |
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Post by PatDyesWholeBody on Apr 5, 2015 22:53:43 GMT
Pearl has had success in the past. Can he replicate that at Auburn? That has yet to be seen. Let's not pretend Auburn has suddenly become a juggernaut with Pearl. He has plenty of question marks of his own. Of course we aren't a juggernaut, but I don't see how you could say he has plenty of question marks...we're still a couple of years away, but it's inevitable that we'll be a top 25 program as long as he's our coach. Here are just a few of Pearl's question marks. Some are interchangeable with any coach who comes to Alabama. 1) Can he replicate the success he's had in the past at Auburn, a place with virtually no basketball history outside of Charles Barkley? 2) If he is able to achieve success at Auburn, will he be lured away by a blueblood? 3) Will Pearl be able to maintain recruiting success as one of just two active coaches who were previously show-caused? The NCAA will almost certainly be watching him a little more closely than others. 4) Can Pearl and his family be happy living in a place like Auburn, Alabama? That said, Pearl is a good coach. There's really no debating that, but how much he can accomplish at a place like Auburn has yet to be seen. |
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Post by barves2125 on Apr 5, 2015 22:54:42 GMT
You may be right but I don't feel like we came away with bad press from this. Marshall saying no hurts but when he makes it a point in every interview to explain that our athletic department handled the whole process very well and that our vision for the future of the program is quality, it's hard to argue we got much bad PR from it. Then, we had a former NBA Coach of the Year admit he was very interested in the job. Again, it isn't Phil Jackson trying to come out of retirement to coach in Tuscaloosa but it is a pretty well respected and highly liked basketball personality. The aspect of the process that I liked the least was our AD releasing a public statement about Marshall saying no. That didn't seem necessary at all. All things considered, seems like a pretty decent coaching search for a guy with no previous experience in the coach hiring process. EDIT: I would also like to point out that the basketball program has already drawn more positive press in the past few hours than the program received in the six years previous. Whether or not he can win games at the college level has yet to be seen but he is certainly a beloved and respected basketball expert. I'm not saying you got bad PR...that's not the case at all...I'm just saying I think it was stupid to tell the whole world that you're waiting two weeks for Wichita to lose, possibly alienating other great coaches. Fair enough. I don't really feel like that's an accurate portrayal of what we did but that's neither here nor there. Basketball season is over for most everyone anyway. Now we just get to see who wins the recruiting battle between the slippery swindler y'all have coaching down there in Auburn and America's sweetheart, Coach Avery Johnson. |
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Post by duke on Apr 5, 2015 22:57:10 GMT
I thought it was rather moronic to publically put all your eggs in one basket...I just don't think there's any redeeming qualities in a public coaching search. Whereas your coach, although he has won games at the college level, is considered somewhat of a sleaze. Not that it matters at all. Just funny to me that that's something TMB Auburn fans would typically champion if the shoe were on the other foot. Auburn being so special and all. Im not even sure what this means...we were all dying to hire the biggest scumbag in all of sports, Bobby Petrino |
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Post by duke on Apr 5, 2015 23:01:36 GMT
I'm not saying you got bad PR...that's not the case at all...I'm just saying I think it was stupid to tell the whole world that you're waiting two weeks for Wichita to lose, possibly alienating other great coaches. Fair enough. I don't really feel like that's an accurate portrayal of what we did but that's neither here nor there. Basketball season is over for most everyone anyway. Now we just get to see who wins the recruiting battle between the slippery swindler y'all have coaching down there in Auburn and America's sweetheart, Coach Avery Johnson. At this point it's completely irrelevant, I simply thought it was a poor strategy. Only thing that matters now is Johnson. |
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Post by duke on Apr 5, 2015 23:10:28 GMT
Of course we aren't a juggernaut, but I don't see how you could say he has plenty of question marks...we're still a couple of years away, but it's inevitable that we'll be a top 25 program as long as he's our coach. Here are just a few of Pearl's question marks. Some are interchangeable with any coach who comes to Alabama. 1) Can he replicate the success he's had in the past at Auburn, a place with virtually no basketball history outside of Charles Barkley? 2) If he is able to achieve success at Auburn, will he be lured away by a blueblood? 3) Will Pearl be able to maintain recruiting success as one of just two active coaches who were previously show-caused? The NCAA will almost certainly be watching him a little more closely than others. 4) Can Pearl and his family be happy living in like Auburn, Alabama? That said, Pearl is a good coach. There's really no debating that, but how much he can accomplish at a place like Auburn has yet to be seen. 1) it doesn't matter if he can't replicate his success...he just needs to have some success...which he's well on his way to doing 2) will a blue blood want to touch him? I highly doubt it...would never blame him for leaving, but I believe he is completely focused on winning here and truly loves this challenge 3) lol ncaa 4) by all accounts they are happy and we'd likely happily let his son take over if that's what Bruce wants |
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Post by jhooked on Apr 5, 2015 23:53:49 GMT
For the sake of comparison, Johnson's name was briefly mentioned as a possibility at Texas before Smart was hired. I would have gone on a shooting spree. That's because you're a moron  |
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