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Post by styx on Apr 3, 2015 1:00:29 GMT
We have several allies in the predominantly Muslim countries in the Middle East... Yemen, the UAE, Turkey, Saudi Arabia just to name a few. I am talking nations and their leaders now, because that is a very important distinction. There are radical groups in every nation who hate the US. But Iran is and has been since the 1970s and perhaps earlier an enemy of the US at the national level.
We are talking about a nation that kills homosexuals legally, kills Christians legally, kills women legally, not for crimes in the sense that we define criminals, but as criminals against the faith. And they actively support as a nation terror groups who do the same in other countries that do not find these actions as legal nor just.
Yet there are citizens in our country who will vilify the state of Indiana for a freedom of religion law while at the same time support lowering sanctions and supporting negotiations with a country who supports a policy of murdering homosexuals, women, and any religion not deemed appropriate. This is madness to me.
I miss the days when the USA did not negotiate with terrorists.
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Post by jorge on Apr 3, 2015 1:05:32 GMT
We have several allies in the predominantly Muslim countries in the Middle East... Yemen, the UAE, Turkey, Saudi Arabia just to name a few. I am talking nations and their leaders now, because that is a very important distinction. There are radical groups in every nation who hate the US. But Iran is and has been since the 1970s and perhaps earlier an enemy of the US at the national level. We are talking about a nation that kills homosexuals legally, kills Christians legally, kills women legally, not for crimes in the sense that we define criminals, but as criminals against the faith. And they actively support as a nation terror groups who do the same in other countries that do not find these actions as legal nor just. Yet there are citizens in our country who will vilify the state of Indiana for a freedom of religion law while at the same time support lowering sanctions and supporting negotiations with a country who supports a policy of murdering homosexuals, women, and any religion not deemed appropriate. This is madness to me. I miss the days when the USA did not negotiate with terrorists. I don't feel like being allies with Saudi Arabia is any better. |
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Post by styx on Apr 3, 2015 1:14:59 GMT
Saudi Arabia has many people who hate the US. So does France, Germany, and Britain (I am talking radical Muslims here, not just wild ass roudy citizens). But the nation of Saudi Arabia is an ally and absolutely do not want to see a situation where Iran, or worse any radical faction due to the chaos of war, gains power in the region.
Remember, Arabs hate Turks who both hate Persians. The only thing those groups have in common is Islam, and even that divides them between Sunni and Shia.
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Post by elkhamsteroctopus on Apr 3, 2015 1:26:42 GMT
We have several allies in the predominantly Muslim countries in the Middle East... Yemen, the UAE, Turkey, Saudi Arabia just to name a few. I am talking nations and their leaders now, because that is a very important distinction. There are radical groups in every nation who hate the US. But Iran is and has been since the 1970s and perhaps earlier an enemy of the US at the national level. We are talking about a nation that kills homosexuals legally, kills Christians legally, kills women legally, not for crimes in the sense that we define criminals, but as criminals against the faith. And they actively support as a nation terror groups who do the same in other countries that do not find these actions as legal nor just. Yet there are citizens in our country who will vilify the state of Indiana for a freedom of religion law while at the same time support lowering sanctions and supporting negotiations with a country who supports a policy of murdering homosexuals, women, and any religion not deemed appropriate. This is madness to me. I miss the days when the USA did not negotiate with terrorists. You bring up a great point, and I totally agree. We have got to start sanctioning Indiana. |
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Post by pesci on Apr 3, 2015 1:34:29 GMT
We have several allies in the predominantly Muslim countries in the Middle East... Yemen, the UAE, Turkey, Saudi Arabia just to name a few. I am talking nations and their leaders now, because that is a very important distinction. There are radical groups in every nation who hate the US. But Iran is and has been since the 1970s and perhaps earlier an enemy of the US at the national level. We are talking about a nation that kills homosexuals legally, kills Christians legally, kills women legally, not for crimes in the sense that we define criminals, but as criminals against the faith. And they actively support as a nation terror groups who do the same in other countries that do not find these actions as legal nor just. Yet there are citizens in our country who will vilify the state of Indiana for a freedom of religion law while at the same time support lowering sanctions and supporting negotiations with a country who supports a policy of murdering homosexuals, women, and any religion not deemed appropriate. This is madness to me. I miss the days when the USA did not negotiate with terrorists. I'm pretty sure you made this up. |
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Post by styx on Apr 3, 2015 1:43:09 GMT
Christians, homosexuals, and women are killed in Iran for reasons other than legal in the western legal sense, and I did not make that up.
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Post by herbburdette on Apr 3, 2015 1:45:59 GMT
Love how we miss the days when the US did not negotiate with terrorist, like for instance, trading arms to Iran to fund the Contras.
I wouldn't mind the Right if there weren't so many complete hypocrites on that side of the aisle.
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Post by pesci on Apr 3, 2015 1:51:37 GMT
Christians, homosexuals, and women are killed in Iran for reasons other than legal in the western legal sense, and I did not make that up. I'm not saying Iran is a haven for free expression, but the point you're making is highly exaggerated. If you really want to play the "who is the worst oppressor" game, it's Saudi Arabia hands down. |
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Post by styx on Apr 3, 2015 1:55:52 GMT
Love how we miss the days when the US did not negotiate with terrorist, like for instance, trading arms to Iran to fund the Contras. I wouldn't mind the Right if there weren't so many complete hypocrites on that side of the aisle. There will always be hypocrisy in politics, especially foreign policy spread over decades. But with foreign policy, the key is always to protect the US and our allies at any given time against threats I. The present and foreseeable future. I understand the feuds of Left and Right over domestic policy. Fiscal and Social policy is difficult to iron out between groups with different goals. I get that. But foreign policy should always be max protect for US citizens and our allies. |
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Post by pesci on Apr 3, 2015 1:58:40 GMT
styx what is your name on tmb
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Post by herbburdette on Apr 3, 2015 2:00:40 GMT
Love how we miss the days when the US did not negotiate with terrorist, like for instance, trading arms to Iran to fund the Contras. I wouldn't mind the Right if there weren't so many complete hypocrites on that side of the aisle. There will always be hypocrisy in politics, especially foreign policy spread over decades. But with foreign policy, the key is always to protect the US and our allies at any given time against threats I. The present and foreseeable future. I understand the feuds of Left and Right over domestic policy. Fiscal and Social policy is difficult to iron out between groups with different goals. I get that. But foreign policy should always be max protect for US citizens and our allies. So once again, how does reaching an agreement to reduce nuclear capabilities in Iran coupled with monitoring by international physicists in exchange for increased economic activity with Iran harm our interests? |
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Post by jorge on Apr 3, 2015 2:04:56 GMT
Christians, homosexuals, and women are killed in Iran for reasons other than legal in the western legal sense, and I did not make that up. I'm not saying Iran is a haven for free expression, but the point you're making is highly exaggerated. If you really want to play the "who is the worst oppressor" game, it's Saudi Arabia hands down. This is what I was getting at |
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Post by duke on Apr 3, 2015 2:07:09 GMT
Love how we miss the days when the US did not negotiate with terrorist, like for instance, trading arms to Iran to fund the Contras. I wouldn't mind the Right if there weren't so many complete hypocrites on that side of the aisle. There will always be hypocrisy in politics, especially foreign policy spread over decades. But with foreign policy, the key is always to protect the US and our allies at any given time against threats I. The present and foreseeable future. I understand the feuds of Left and Right over domestic policy. Fiscal and Social policy is difficult to iron out between groups with different goals. I get that. But foreign policy should always be max protect for US citizens and our allies. Youre an idiot |
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Post by lyrtch on Apr 3, 2015 2:12:53 GMT
styx what is your name on tmb thinking he's styx on tmb but he posts 99.99% on the Clemson private board |
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Post by pesci on Apr 3, 2015 2:20:30 GMT
This type of foreign policy discussion makes my eyes roll because only our enemies are to be evaluated in moral terms. I don't have a lot of love for the realist approach, but if you want to say that Israel and Saudi Arabia are our allies and maintaining that status quo is more important than a diplomatic deal with Iran, there's a logical basis for that. The handwringing fixated solely on Iran's domestic crimes and yearning for a made-up time when the U.S. didn't negotiate with terrorists are stupid reasons to oppose it.
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Post by jokewood on Apr 3, 2015 2:21:32 GMT
Picking sides in the Middle East upsets the delicate balance of hatred.  |
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Post by styx on Apr 3, 2015 2:38:08 GMT
styx what is your name on tmb thinking he's styx on tmb but he posts 99.99% on the Clemson private board Accurate. |
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Post by jhooked on Apr 3, 2015 3:14:37 GMT
Love how we miss the days when the US did not negotiate with terrorist, like for instance, trading arms to Iran to fund the Contras. I wouldn't mind the Right if there weren't so many complete hypocrites on that side of the aisle. But foreign policy should always be max protect for US citizens and our allies. So one of the goals of US foreign policy shouldn't involve trying to lessen tensions with countries we view as enemies? Maybe even turning those enemies into allies? |
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Post by cutig on Apr 3, 2015 4:29:30 GMT
I don't think a war with Iran is necessary. Just take a hard line with them. Don't negotiate with them. Russia, China, Britain, France, Saudi Arabia, Turkey and damn near every other country that we have at least half ass relations with would fall in line with harsh sanctions. The problem is that right now, today, Iran knows that we are afraid or unwilling to take a hard stance against them and they are pushing us wherever they want us to go. Our foreign policy is soft and Iran knows it and is taking advantage.
Make no mistake. Iran wants to become a nuclear power. And Iran wants to obliterate Israel. And today, Iran knows that the US government is afraid or unwilling to take measures to stop either.
In what way is the U.S.' foreign policy soft? Probably due to our Republican traitors senators publicly saying our President has no power to make decisions for the future and that climate change doesn't exist |
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Post by cutig on Apr 3, 2015 4:32:04 GMT
But foreign policy should always be max protect for US citizens and our allies. So one of the goals of US foreign policy shouldn't involve trying to lessen tensions with countries we view as enemies? Maybe even turning those enemies into allies? Islamaphobia is pretty scary. How about we realize its fucking 2015, whether we sanction them or not they can get their nuke. How the fuck is it a bad thing if they lessen the number of centrifuges, allow UN inspectors and have an open fucking dialogue? Bombing the shit out of everything doesn't help anything. |
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Post by otm on Apr 3, 2015 4:56:37 GMT
Picking sides in the Middle East upsets the delicate balance of hatred. ...indestructible... |
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Post by redav on Apr 3, 2015 12:07:22 GMT
We have several allies in the predominantly Muslim countries in the Middle East... Yemen, the UAE, Turkey, Saudi Arabia just to name a few. I am talking nations and their leaders now, because that is a very important distinction. There are radical groups in every nation who hate the US. But Iran is and has been since the 1970s and perhaps earlier an enemy of the US at the national level. We are talking about a nation that kills homosexuals legally, kills Christians legally, kills women legally, not for crimes in the sense that we define criminals, but as criminals against the faith. And they actively support as a nation terror groups who do the same in other countries that do not find these actions as legal nor just. Yet there are citizens in our country who will vilify the state of Indiana for a freedom of religion law while at the same time support lowering sanctions and supporting negotiations with a country who supports a policy of murdering homosexuals, women, and any religion not deemed appropriate. This is madness to me. I miss the days when the USA did not negotiate with terrorists. I'm pretty sure you made this up. This guy is making stuff up? No... |
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Post by redav on Apr 3, 2015 12:09:03 GMT
I'm still waiting on styx to explain how this further endangers Israel.
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Post by otm on Apr 3, 2015 13:11:35 GMT
I'm still waiting on styx to explain how this further endangers Israel. It's got be like a high school girl thing. Israel feels threatened because their bff is making friends with a girl they don't like. |
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Post by artoo on Apr 3, 2015 13:16:08 GMT
I'm still waiting on styx to explain how this further endangers Israel. Or to clearly explain why we should give a shit about Israel. He says they are our major ally over there, but then tells us that we have several allies there. |
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Post by titsorgtfo on Apr 3, 2015 19:21:40 GMT
I don't give two shits about Israel. We get nothing out of the relationship and all the strong supporters for Israel always say "muh Jesus"
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Post by titsorgtfo on Apr 3, 2015 19:22:25 GMT
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Post by elkhamsteroctopus on Apr 3, 2015 19:23:17 GMT
Only if they recognize Palestine in return.
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